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Post by dozyjulia on Apr 15, 2006 0:18:50 GMT 1
Hello, I've never started a thread before. Very exciting. Just wondering if any of you saw this Manchester Passion parade? It was live on BBC3 but then repeated on BBC2, and it was basically a re-living of the last days of Jesus' life told using the songs of some popular Manchester bands. It even had Jesus at the top of the town hall singing 'I Am The Resurrection'. Very entertaining.
Anyway I thought it was quite cool (although some songs were fucking BUTCHERED - my precious James *sniff*). I wish I could have actually gone to it, but obviously I'm stuck here in the South Midlands.
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Post by mcv on Apr 15, 2006 0:48:14 GMT 1
Anyway I thought it was quite cool (although some songs were fucking BUTCHERED - my precious James *sniff*). I wish I could have actually gone to it, but obviously I'm stuck here in the South Midlands. wasn't the guy from james in it anyway?
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Post by Simon on Apr 15, 2006 0:49:34 GMT 1
ach, was supposed to watch this, but forgot...boo
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Post by Tev on Apr 15, 2006 6:52:50 GMT 1
I wanted to watch it but was at work when the repeat was on anyone tape it?
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Post by elaine on Apr 15, 2006 9:33:51 GMT 1
i thought it was ace!
but then.. I would. it was a pretty clever use of songs, but also slightly cheesy..
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Post by Tom on Apr 15, 2006 10:12:51 GMT 1
me and nat walked within a few hundred yards of it all, but neither of us realised what it was. it did sound quite cheesy, but on the other hand, it might have worked really well.
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Post by dozyjulia on Apr 15, 2006 10:40:15 GMT 1
wasn't the guy from james in it anyway? yes, yes he was! i didn't know he was bald! but of course, he wasn't singing 'Sit Down', cos Jesus had already done that. He sang 'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now' and half of 'Blue Monday'. So. Fucking. Good. I can't believe you were that close to it Welshie! Despite the cringeworthy parts, I think they pulled it off pretty damn well...
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Post by Chris on Apr 15, 2006 14:14:07 GMT 1
He did Heaven Knows... pretty well. Jesus was a bit pants, though.
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Post by indie_schmindie on Apr 15, 2006 20:06:23 GMT 1
it was quite interesting to watch - tad cheesy and all made up, but then plays tend to be don't they?
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Post by rocinante on Apr 16, 2006 13:19:27 GMT 1
No, don't diss the theatre! That's a road you do NOT want to go down, you'd be dragged in so deep that you either wouldn't emerge or you'd emerge not even a shadow of your former self...a completely broken man, bleeding at the knees.
God, I wish I'd saw this thing.
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Post by dozyjulia on Apr 16, 2006 13:37:01 GMT 1
AHEM - seen.
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Post by elaine on Apr 16, 2006 15:08:28 GMT 1
I agree about plays/musicals/live music (too) of all sorts.. they give you undescribable feelings - actual physical tangible pleasure.
i got spine tingles when jesus sang 'i am the resurrection'....
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Post by indie_schmindie on Apr 17, 2006 18:39:11 GMT 1
No, don't diss the theatre! That's a road you do NOT want to go down, you'd be dragged in so deep that you either wouldn't emerge or you'd emerge not even a shadow of your former self...a completely broken man, bleeding at the knees. God, I wish I'd saw this thing. i wasn't dissing the theatre - tho i can see how u may think that's what i meant.... it was more one of my somewhat repetitive outbursts on the worldly ill that they call organised religion
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Post by rocinante on Apr 18, 2006 13:25:58 GMT 1
The root of all evil?!
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Post by dozyjulia on Apr 18, 2006 13:30:57 GMT 1
religion? not quite, but getting there...
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Post by elaine on Apr 18, 2006 16:20:14 GMT 1
what? huh? who's dissing organised religion? i'd like to hear the coherence of this argument...
*I'm not part of one, I just think that the argument against them is a terrible one, and doesn't hold its weight.
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Post by rocinante on Apr 18, 2006 19:51:29 GMT 1
And that's why I call myself an agnostic. Luckily, there IS middle ground when it comes to religion, and this way I get to avoid all arguments.
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Post by elaine on Apr 18, 2006 20:04:01 GMT 1
what is an agnostic though? someone with no opinion, or several? because I think lots of people take the former, by denying they have the ability to reasonably argue anything (Kant). But I respect people of the latter, who have explored lots of opinions thoroughly in order to fit them together, or at least place them in a hierarchy
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Post by rocinante on Apr 18, 2006 21:35:06 GMT 1
*ahem*
I'm pure latter, baby.
*light cigarette and speeds off into distance on motorcycle*
But seriously, yeah, several opinions. Several. Everyone needs faith, those that don't have faith are unfulfilled, but what many religious types don't realise is that you can have faith in things that aren't necessarily religious. You can be religiously devoted to something that makes you happy, that's faith! It could be....cartoons! Or films! Food! Pornography! Heroin!
Or....
MUSIC!
And that's where we come in! We're the international church of indie! We're religiously devoted to music! Which is why we're all so happy and complete. Aren't we?
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Post by elaine on Apr 18, 2006 21:48:09 GMT 1
FINALLY ... someone who is proving my point...
that everyone needs to BELIEVE in something... so you can't attack organised religions for being the evil in the world, because as soon as people put strong beliefs in something, it is bound to end in disaster... its human nature, not religion.
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Post by indie_schmindie on Apr 18, 2006 22:37:25 GMT 1
it's still religion - religion is a product of human nature - i like to, somewhat idealistically, think that it isn't human nature of all to become corrupted when power comes their way
i'm not attacking the spirituality of organised religions (i also wish to separate "organised religion" from mere "religion" in terms of something that us believed in by the individual), i'm attacking the short-sighted control that some clearly use to the advantage of the few... there are some positive lessons through these establishments in moral terms, but look at what has happened in the name of these "moral" establishments.... one example is the spread of AIDS in africa that is a direct result of the catholic church's stubborn stance on contraception - this is blatant oppression if you ask me... how can a continent with such a deadly, society-crippling disease stand a chance of comparing with the development in countries where religious leaders are based? i know there are other factors here, such as the money-laundering, corrupt governments in many african states, but judging by the power that religious organisations hold, they should really not abuse their status when it comes to judgement on these issues
people seem to follow blindly - the blinding may have come from being raised into a specific religious group, but if i was to encourage anything over organised religion, it would be the questioning agnostic stance, which would, in my view, strengthen worldly morals...
my strong stance against religion in part comes form the fact that sometimes the balance of the scales needs to be redressed and an extreme must be taken by the few in order to educate the many away from an old-fashioned, largely negative and corrupt system... hoping that they may settle on a fairer-for-all middle ground, in this case - the agnostic stance, where people are not grouping together in gang-like exchanges, but instead learning to be tolerant and accept that both their own, and everyone else's, opinions on the subject of spirituality are in fact only beliefs and no truth can ever be proven...
seems like a bit of a utopia that i've created there, but from what i have seen in the world, there have been some advancements - advancements that would be vastly furthered by anti-organised-religion education
EDIT: i see organised religion as a stringent set of rules that are hindering any worldly advances - one example that springs to mind is cloning --> we could make immense strides in medicine forfooksake, but the claims of "playing god" are standing in the way... if people were to collectively step back and consider that, even if there is a divinity around, perhaps this divinity would encourage prolonging of individual life... realised that's kinda off topic and an atheist stancepoint, but i thought i'd add it anyway... i, for one, would prefer to live as long as science will allow me and not as long as organised religion will allow me
EDIT 2: i don't think that organised religions in fact stand for what people's considered beliefs would be if they were not indoctrinated by the media, or powerful political or religious bods
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Post by dozyjulia on Apr 18, 2006 23:00:47 GMT 1
Which is why we're all so happy and complete. Aren't we? Indie kids happy and complete? Come off it.. Schmindie, I didn't read what you wrote because frankly I can't face it at this hour of the evening, but I'll try again later
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Post by Chris on Apr 19, 2006 0:09:41 GMT 1
Which is why we're all so happy and complete. Aren't we? Indie kids happy and complete? Come off it.. Schmindie, I didn't read what you wrote because frankly I can't face it at this hour of the evening, but I'll try again later What Wilson said
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Post by dozyjulia on Apr 19, 2006 8:01:28 GMT 1
Unfortunately I read that and now I'm MAD.
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Post by pinkegokane on Apr 19, 2006 10:04:57 GMT 1
FINALLY ... someone who is proving my point... that everyone needs to BELIEVE in something... so you can't attack organised religions for being the evil in the world, because as soon as people put strong beliefs in something, it is bound to end in disaster... its human nature, not religion. what do you mean BELIEVE though? i would say i like music to the point of it being obsessional, but i don't think i have faith in it. it's just music, it can't really save people from a fate or anything... i don't really know if i believe in anything at all, at least not entirely.
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